[taygravy]

6 pages in that other post and nobody's figured it out yet huh? Lemme break it down....

*sighs REAL deep*

Mobb Deep is gone. Club Mobb is what you have now. And you can either take it or leave it.

To me the last classic, dark, moody, make-me-wanna-open-fire-on-a-group-of-innocent-schoolchildren Mobb Deep single was "Quiet Storm." Hav and P were sharp as ever on the boards and on the mic respectively......and then.......

Enter Hov.

I'm sorry.....but I've never seen ANY emcee past or present be as VISIBLY affected by a dis as Prodigy was by that Summer Jam screen. All of a sudden, the same emcee who gave us countless quotables for 3 albums sounded as flustered and unfocused as ever. Hell, most of the time he wasn't even RHYMING..... Thus, we saw the beginnings of what I call "Club Mobb," a group that had had their street cred tested so many times (see: unfavorable incidents with TruLife and Keith Murray), that they figured 'fuck it.....let's take niggas to the club' and the results ranged from dope ("Burn"), to dope-once-it-grows-on-you ("Got It Twisted"), to horrid ("Hey Luv" feat. 112).

So what exactly happened?

Most people don't realize that the magic of Prodigy (and Mobb for that matter), lied in Prodigy's first bars. Literally......Prodigy has some of the most classic and memorable first bars in hip hop history, and that made for their best singles. Don't believe me?

"I got 'chu stuck off the realness....." -Shook Ones

"The saga begins.....we go to war/ I draw first blood be the first to set it off...." -Hell On Earth

"I put my lifetime in between the paper lines...." -Quiet Storm

"I break bread, r i b s, hunnid dolla bills...." -Keep It Thoro

Now as you listen to "Blood Money" try to find that bar. Dig through that album and search for that one line.....that ONE bar from Prodigy that made you and your mans rap along in unison like "I used to be in love with this bitch named E&J/ don't fuck with her no more now I fuck with Tanqueray" from "Drink Away The Pain."

You can't find it, 'cause its not there.

For better or worse depending on how you look at it, Havoc is now the best MC in Club Mobb. I take my hat off to him. Dude sounds hungrier than ever. And although P still has his moments (his verse on "Capital P, Capital H" is dope), for most of the album he's the same rambling, non-rhyming, unfocused guy that he's been for the past few years. He really sounds clinically depressed. It's sad.

So aside from its obvious artistic shortcomings, what does G-Unit have to do with people's hate for "Blood Money?"

Honestly......everything.

Like I told y'all so many times, even in regards to my OWN career.....in this game, PERCEPTION is reality.

And if people's general perception is that you cashed in 13 years of hard-earned respect for a Porsche...

AND you're rollin with the industry's hot new franchise boy (who DISSED you a year earlier, mind you)......

AND gave him total control of your album...

AND engaged in blatant cock-sniggling in interviews and on records by referring to him as Curtis Billion Dollar Budget Jackson.......

AND the only features on the record are G-Unit (no Noyd or any other QB niggas).......

Then what is the general consensus?

"Maaaaaan, them Mobb Deep niggas sold the fuck out," that's what.

Now personally, I have no problem with an artist selling out, or cashing in (however you look at it)....but I understand the ramifications of it. And the fact remains that when you sell out: 1) it damn sure better be financially worth it so that you NEVER have to sell out again, and 2) your post sell-out records better be artistically fucking BULLETPROOF. I mean, you better make the record of a lifetime or else there will be hell to pay.

And from the looks of things, Mobb may fail on both counts.

Cats are trashing the record left and right. Most die-hard Mobb fans have written them off by now. As dope as "Put 'Em In Their Place" is it ain't gon' get the 106 and TRL'ers, so those diamond numbers they were shooting for are looking more like Yayo's.

Not to place all the blame on 50, because truthfully, the songs he's featured on are among the best on the album. And I always thought "Outta Control" was dope, because it felt like a natural progression for Club Mobb.....it was the grown and sexy Club Mobb and it knocked. The same can't be said for "Give It To Me" and "Backstage Pass." They are club attempts that sound forced and honestly, are downright laughable.

I will always hold Hav and P near and dear to my heart, and they will always be viewed as hip-hop legends to me because of their first 3 albums (honorable mentions go to "H.N.I.C" and "Free Agents" tho). But I gotta call a spade a spade.

For longtime Mobb Deep fans, "Blood Money" pretty much confirmed our worst fears of what we thought a G-Unit/Mobb Deep partnership would bring forth:

Our boys done got rich and stopped trying.

[LEX718]

taygravy, on May 1 2006, 02:22 PM, said:

"I break bread, oinkment, hunnid dolla bills...." -Keep It Thoro

:ph34r: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[wallsauce]

Damn Tay... You straight blanked.

[Samnilla]

LOL at "oinkment" popping up in a serious conversation.

[epatrick]

taygravy, on May 1 2006, 08:22 PM, said:

And from the looks of things, Mobb may fail on both counts.

Cats are trashing the record left and right. Most die-hard Mobb fans have written them off by now. As dope as "Put 'Em In Their Place Is" it ain't gon' get the 106 and TRL'ers, so those diamond numbers they were shooting for are looking more like Yayo's.

Not to place all the blame on 50, because truthfully, the songs he's featured on are among the best on the album. And I always thought "Outta Control" was dope, because it felt like a natural progression for Club Mobb.....it was the grown and sexy Club Mobb and it knocked. The same can't be said for "Give It To Me" and "Backstage Pass." They are club attempts that sound forced and honestly, are downright laughable.

I will always hold Hav and P near and dear to my heart, and they will always be viewed as hip-hop legends to me because of their first 3 albums (honorable mentions go to "H.N.I.C" and "Free Agents" tho). But I gotta call a spade a spade.

For longtime Mobb Deep fans, "Blood Money" pretty much confirmed our worst fears of what we thought a G-Unit/Mobb Deep partnership would bring forth:

Our boys done got rich and stopped trying.

Agree with that.... Like i said in the mobb's post, they are lost artistically...

The only thing i doubt is this "Our boys done got rich and stopped trying."... It has yet to be seen...

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[micsource]

Dawg...Evidence was not talking to u when he said, "Emcees without a voice should write a book..."


I hope u have some damn wrist braces on....or a secretary...or SOMETHING...

[MUZIK74]

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For longtime Mobb Deep fans, "Blood Money" pretty much confirmed our worst fears of what we thought a G-Unit/Mobb Deep partnership would bring forth:

Our boys done got rich and stopped trying.

real talk, about time nigga i thought you were never gonna admit it, like i said when the reviews were being posted, Blood money was not an authentic Mobb release at all by any means. I forgot who was it that posted a personal letter to Prodigy on the forums, where niggas was sayin that he was just hatin' nah whoever it was that wrote it just spoke the truth. And if it wasn't bad enough them niggas lost a shitload of street cred so that right there made them lose alot of fanbase as far as thoro niggas go.

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Havoc is now the best MC in Club Mobb

it's been this way ever since the "Infamy" album. :ph34r:

[GRENADE]

damn tay,you did it again my nigga,true words and on point.that's exactly why this album is garbage.and
said in the blood money post p aint been the same since hov crushed'em and tru life got busy....
but i also think that littles played a bigger role in the downfall.

[taygravy]

GRENADE, on May 1 2006, 07:10 PM, said:

but i also think that littles played a bigger role in the downfall.

Exactly what WAS the connection between Mobb and Littles? I knew they had beef or whatever, but was never clear on their history.....

[Fred Sinatra]

i gotta disagree with this post completely

there are plenty of street bangers on this album, those same clubs that would play backstage pass would play keep it thoro, shook ones, or w/e so its not like a pop attempt.

there are a LOT of quotable lines on blood money IMO.....i will start posting them when i get a chance to quote em.

the only track that just stands out as being way the fuck outtaline is the "have a party" shit.....that is TERRIBLE. but "give it to me" is ill. you can't tell me "stole something" & "speak so freely" & "put em in there place" & "capitol P, capitol H" don't come off as classic mobb shit.


idk i'm enjoying this album way to much to continue to try & analyze it and decide whether or not they're trying to go pop or keeping it the same......this shit is fucking hot period.

the real rreason people hate blood money is because they want to.

[Ljr231986]

taygravy, on May 1 2006, 02:20 PM, said:

Exactly what WAS the connection between Mobb and Littles? I knew they had beef or whatever, but was never clear on their history.....

Littles was MObb Deep's manager...he organized their shows, tour dates, and even little things like who's gonna produced their records back in the day...they were like family basically

[epatrick]

Ljr231986, on May 1 2006, 09:22 PM, said:

Littles was MObb Deep's manager...he organized their shows, tour dates, and even little things like who's gonna produced their records back in the day...they were like family basically

Littles stressed the fact Mobb Deep weren't that smart when it comes to business... They blew their Koch deal which somehow explained why they had to turn to G-unit...

It's not even about selling ou or cashin in, it's about managing your money right!! and i don't think Mobb was doing the right thing.. so i doubt they'll get richer with G-unit...

[taygravy]

epatrick, on May 1 2006, 07:28 PM, said:

Littles stressed the fact Mobb Deep weren't that smart when it comes to business... They blew their Koch deal which somehow explained why they had to turn to G-unit...

Awwwwww, I see now © Ye

[LEX718]

Ljr231986, on May 1 2006, 03:22 PM, said:

Littles was MObb Deep's manager...he organized their shows, tour dates, and even little things like who's gonna produced their records back in the day...they were like family basically

He also featured on Infamy and HNIC. He put out that Infamous Allegiance CD/DVD through his indie label, Best Of The Block Music. Dude was heavily affiliated.

[brooklynsfinest]

Disagree w/ u on "Backstage Pass", that joint bangs. And like i said before, P aint as bad as he was when he first started off with that "lazy flow". I mean, that aint really saying much since Hav is outshining him on the mic these days, but better none the less. You basically affirmed my opinion on the "Club Mobb" joints, but other than those I actually like this album.

[GRENADE]

taygravy, on May 1 2006, 03:30 PM, said:

Awwwwww, I see now © Ye

littles was more then that,littles son'ed them,he's hav's brother best friend he looked out for moob on some streets shyt (he was the hood element to mobb).....he was the reason qb back up prodigy so much.....

[The Concerned Potato Head]

MUZIK74, on May 1 2006, 08:05 PM, said:

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ROFLMAO :ph34r: :lol: :lol:



*get's back on chair* :lol:


i'll be honest i miss the eerie, atmospheric approach from Mobb. i'd say the best track from their latest release is Outta Control, it's cool, but it aint Mobb. i know how i shouldnt bitch if an artists changes their approach, but the eerie, 70's gangster movie-like sound was why i liked Mobb Deep in the first place. :lol:

[bsidewinzagain]

i sort of agree with your take on mobb deep. i def. dont agree with your take on why people are hating on em.

i listened to this joint yesterday and i aint think it was that bad. its def. not anything special--its just kind of generic mobb deep. and thats all i really expect from mobb deep at this point. ive found them fairly generic since murda music. not that i didnt enjoy their shit--i did. but besides the occasional singles, i never found that their albums stood out that much. id listen to em for a few weeks-months and then be done with em. but i never found them downright awful. but your theory could def explain what im talking about.

i think that you are giving fans a little to much credit by saying its the substance of the music that has people hating on mobb deep. people didnt hate on mobb this much after amerikkka's nightmare dropped. this album isnt that much worse than that. and those dudes pulled the ultimate sellout move (at the time) when that dropped--they had a joint with lil jon. collabing with lil jon is way more of a sellout move for mobb deep than collabing with 50 cent.

and thats the reason why people are hating on em. they hate 50 so now they hate mobb. and i think that this album is not warranting of all the hate that its getting.

the fact of the matter is, these fans were checking for 50 when he dropped and then they all switched. when ?uest stopped listening to 50 they werent interested anymore. the kids that are so outwardly hating on mobb deep dont do it cuz of the substance of the music. they make their decisions based on what they think is cool. mobb aint cool to them anymore and thats about it....

[GRENADE]

im a always be a mobb fan and a 50 fan.i been a mobb since 92-93,this album is worst juvi' hell.
and you said it rights it's generic.plain and simple generic

[DaKidFromHaiti]

Real talk, I gotta say Mobb Deep used to be my favorite rap duo, shit, I thought Infamy was hot when most people thought it was garbage, but that's just me, when they signed to G-Unit, I was like, ok, we'll see how that goes, Outta Control was hot to me, Have A Party was decent, but Put Em In Their Place was garbage to me. The album has one or two nice songs, but nothing really stands out, and yes, Havoc is the better half of Mobb Deep these days. I like how you pointed out that 50 dissed them on oinkment Bank, it was a minor diss, but still, it was disrespectful, and Mobb Deep acting like it never happened. As anyone ever asked them about that on an interview? I want to hear what they have to say...

[akshun]

man, the album is dope, to me at least..

i love they music from back in the day more, but this is just a different mobb. it is what is. there ain't too many cats from that era that are making music like that anymore any way.

maybe i just don't have time to complain. if the shit dropped on koch, def jam, or whatever, no one would really care.

and we don't know what went on when 50 and mobb met up for the deal. shit, jay fucked nas baby momz and tried to end his career. jay said more foul shit than 50 has toward mobb, which is one line anyway. everybody happy jay and nas together, but everyone hate 50/mobb

[The Concerned Potato Head]

skoolafish, on May 1 2006, 10:50 PM, said:

but the album's not that bad

true, but it doesnt have anyway wow-factor either :ph34r:

[JtothaI]

The song with Mary, and the joint with Nate Dogg turn any chance this album had of being a legitiamte Mobb Deep record to zilch.

Those two songs basically = Hey Luv in my eyes (ears)

I wasn't really mad at them sigining with G-Unit and I liked "Outta Control", shit, G-Unit/Aftermath probobly got the best beats on the mainstream, but I wasn't expecting a miracle either, I had zero expectations for this album. I guess thats the best way to go into an album these days.

Back inthe day I had expectations for almost anything I bought to be dope. I was let down too many times to get my hopes up, especially for someone wit Mobb's track record.

[Fred Sinatra]

yall are fucking crazy

i seriously think people hate this record w/ their hearts & minds & not with their ears

[AM Flowers]

I agree w/ Tay 100%